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I'm outa here [warning naughty language may offend some]

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Well, you won't see me here again for a long time if ever.

I'm getting quite unhappy with where this site seems to be headed in the past several months, and the seeming lack of honesty and integrity by some certain members.

People being banned in the middle of the night with no explanation, being told to be quiet when I start asking what happened, posts being deleted in order to hide the facts of what happened.

If everyone on this side is innocent, then why the secrecy? I don't get it. One would think that the people in the right would want light to shine on the facts, not try to hide them and pretend nothing happened.

This was a really great site when I joined, but has recently taken a dive, if it ever goes back to something closer to Muddy's vision as I understood it, then I'll be back, until then I'm out.

P.S. If anyone would like to get in touch with me my email is russellobrien_1999@yahoo.com

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How about some examples instead of generalizations?

I could come on here saying this place sucks, blah, blah, blah, but how is that going to do any good... How are the people that run it supposed to know what needs to be addressed?

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when there is a group this big there is bound to be problems and somebody has to make a decision that isnt easy. some people get hurt maybe unjustly but thats part of life it makes it so a person understands why dtr is so anal about everything

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The folks that got banned you listed either asked to be removed from the site or didn't play nice.

I think it's wise to keep what happened on the "D.L." because we don't need to be sharing the faults of others to the public.

Look at it this way. Let's say you did something wrong at work and your boss hauls you in the office. You would expect what transpires in there to not be spread to the whole company. Same deal here.

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examples enough for you?

dont forget the homo andrew who was bashing meg. we banned him too.

also nukleous x. [who also did meg wrong]

for the record, it was also my decision to release these folks. not just steve's. we talk b4 we act.

well,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, do we really want to state why the F these individuals are banned. we thought we wld try not to bash the individuals and bring their sins out in the open. some things are best left unspoken.

do you like honesty??????????? integrety???????? faggotism???????? do ya like your pm's read??????? do ya like fucking retards who are dishonest and try to cheat club members??????? do ya like home wrecking adulterers.??????? what about motherfuckers????? all these listed above fucked up. that is why they are GONE. and meg fucked up twice for the same thing. and another i just let her slide on that she doesnt know i know.

there is a reason each one was banned. shall we post the porn in T&A also??????????

you get one side of the story then bash the site. wtf is up w/ that?????

if you were to fuck up wld you want us giving all the details out????

oh,,,,,,,,,,and kevin asked to be released,,,,,,,,just like you :cheer:

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In case anybody missed Muddy's little tidbit there, he just pretty much summed up all the resaons why names have been dropped from this site. It has always been for the good of the site as a whole and not because of any personal reasons. But at the same time it's not right to air out somebodies dirty laundry here in the public forum.

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oh,,,,,,and russ,,,,,,,,ya know i hate to see ya go as i've enjoyed your friendship on the site and postings,,,,,,,,,till now.

do ya want to be banned or just placed in D&D?????????

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you get one side of the story then bash the site. wtf is up w/ that?????

that's exactly my point, only one of the story can be had, no one here wants to say anything.

if you were to fuck up wld you want us giving all the details out????

in a word, yes I would! that seems to me a very good incentive not to fuck up! anytime I've screwed up I've not hidden it from anyone.

I'm not asking to be banned or put in D&D, if that's the action you feel is appropriate then that is obviously your perogative and I will not hold it against anyone.

I didn't mean to bash the site, though now I see that I did come across that way and I'm sorry for that, I'm saying that I don't feel comfortable here for the reasons I posted.

I wish you all the best, but at this point I feel I'm left with a choice between my friends and this site, and as much as I have enjoyed being a member here, to become more important than my friends takes a hell of a lot.

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I thought some of the folks on this site are friends also. Nobody is out to ruin anybodies lives here, that's part of the reaoson for not talking about it all. These folks will still be at truck functions and just a phone call away, you just won't see them on the site. Was never intended to be this dramatic, we didn't send them to prison or try to turn anybody against them. Actually nothing bad has ever been said about any of them, they just weren't good for the site and/or asked to be removed from the member list. Nothin more, nothin less.

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russ, to strt with,,,,,,the 1st time she asked to be put in D&D on her own. the 2nd time we made the decision,,,as in steve and i.

in that cluster marriages are invlolved. and ya dont fuck with marriages. we dont want to have her's nor anyone elses fucked up.

we cld reveal evidence,,,,,,,,post some pics,,,,but it is in your friend megs and her hubby kevins best interest to just let it die.

however,,,,,,,,in the case of,,,,,,,,,lets say direspider. have no bussiness dealings with him as he is dishonest.. ok,,,,,,,thats a benefit to the site to reveal.as to a former staffer reading members pm's,,,, i can go on but i wont. ya just remove the offender from his position.

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Russ,

Whenever a problem arises with a member we discuss the issue among all 4 admin members and thoroughly discuss the issue to ensure that the proper action is taken. All 4 of us have to agree to the punishment that is going to be set forth on the member. Every action we take is in the best interest of the site. When people are removed from the site we feel it in the best interest of the member removed not to reveal the information in order to not cause any problems that could affect that members family or personal life. This is a smaller site but is Big because we are close group of people. I have made alot of friends on this site and being a member of this club, and you are one of them. I understand you have got to do what you feel is right.

Justin

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like dennis' point,,,,,,,,,,,,,,we aint tellin ya that if ya are friends with us and take place in site discusions and club functions ya cant be friends with a banned member. u will still visit by email or in person. just not here,,,,,,,,,at this time.

meg and kev wont be here,,,,,,,,but the rest of your bomber friends are :cheer:

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Great post Justin.

I don't understand something here and Cetane if your still out there maybe you can shed some light on it for me. Why do you have to choose sides in this like it's a divorce or something. Can't you have more then one group of friends.

I posted this in the staff section when cahammer did this same thing and i still don't understand it.

So he's pledged his allegiance to a couple of his friends by leaving 10 times as many friends behind. How would being on here have affected his friendship with them, if they are true friends that is.

I know a few of ya have told me that this is more then a site and I can understand that. But in the end it's not like Meg and Kevin have been run out a town, just off the site. They are still right there in person to talk to anytime, so I still think this has been way over damatized, cause in the end it is just a web site and these folks will still do business in the truck world, still be at the truck events and still live down the street from some of ya. Nobody lives have been "altered" by their removal, you'll just have to talk to them the old fashioned way and contact each other.

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well, I guess the best way I can put it is that, I have a friend that gets banned, being that they are my friend and I hear their side, I feel I should stick up for them, that's just one of my stronger feelings, that I should do my best to defend one of my friends if I feel they are in the right, in this particular situation I could only get their side so I have to assume that they are in the right.

when I tried to stick up for them or even just get some answers that night I got told to move on to a different subject, so the only way I could come up with to make my feelings on the subject known was to leave.

I felt that if I continued to ask questions, or pursue the matter any further I would be banned or put in D&D anyway so I really felt my options were limited.

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So how do you feel about it now that you have heard some of the other side. I'm just tryin to understand the whole myself.

In all of these cases it was for the benefit of the other side that the reasons were not posted. There was no benefit to the site in hiding it all.

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when I tried to stick up for them or even just get some answers that night I got told to move on to a different subject, so the only way I could come up with to make my feelings on the subject known was to leave.

I felt that if I continued to ask questions, or pursue the matter any further I would be banned or put in D&D anyway so I really felt my options were limited.

Russ when you were told by some of the mods to move on or change the subject. It wasnt to try and get you to be quiet or to hide it, it was just that they didnt feel it was there place to bring this subject out into the public eye. Nor did all mods know the complete story of what was goin on. It was nothing against you or anyone else that was askin about what was goin on.

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well.... that may be a question I have to answer later on, I need to do some thinking, it'll probably be tomorrow night, I've got an early morning appointment for a full day at a dyno to do before and after with an intake on my lady's Titan, and a baseline on the BMW. and a couple other things, I may take the dodge down there as well.

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I don't mean to offend anyone, but what does it matter why someone is banned. Obviously this is an enthusiast site, and Steve and Muddy aren't going to let someone get banned without a good reason. Being that everyone is relatively close it is never easy to lose a member, but I have no doubt that all the staff has the best interest of the site, and all members involved, in mind when they make that type of decision. If you feel that your friends being banned prohibits you from participating here, then I wish you the best, but I think you would be doing yourself and the site a disservice to leave simply because your friends are no longer members.

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